The next morning, Alyssa and Nancy joined the 2 younger girls on the trip to the parole office in Concord. The parole agent had been questioning him about the 2 younger girls. They were now aware of their existence. That morning, Nancy, Alyssa, Angel and Starlit (Scarlett?) joined Phillip Garrido on the trip to the parole office in Concord most likely in a reddish volkswagen.


The Questionings/Interrogations
That Wednesday morning on August 26, they arrived at the parole office in Concord. The drive took less than 30 minute. It was about 8:10 am when Phillip Garrido walked into the lobby of the parole office. The parole agent was on the phone to Ally Jacobs when they walked into the room. Garrido signed in at the front lobby and the women seated themselves. When he had finished his conversation, he opened the lobby door and Garrido immediately started to walk in at the same time gesturing to the women to follow him. Agent Santos instructed him to stop and wait in the lobby while motioning the females to carry on and he escorted them into the conference room. The females were seated on one side and parole officer Santos was seated on the other side directly facing them. No one else was in the room.

The parole agent (Santos) introduced himself and then asked the three younger females to identify themselves. The oldest female stated, "Alyssa", the youngest stated, "Starlet" and the second oldest female said, "Angel". He then turned to Nancy Garrido and requested parents information on the two younger girls. Alyssa immediately stated that she was their mother. Agent Santos commented that she looked too young to be their mother and Alyssa laughingly said that she gets that all the time from people, and they think that she is their sister. He then asked her how old she was and she advised 29 years old. He then asked her for identification and she said that she had left it at home. He then asked her for her birthdate and she gave May 03 1980. He then asked her to spell out her full name and she hesitated for a moment and out slowly, spelled "Allissa Franzen". It was obvious to officer Santos that she was having difficulties spelling out her first name. He then asked where she lived and she replied that she and the two girls were staying with different families and sometimes with the Garridos.

As agent Santos attempted to gather more personal information for the purpose of confirming her identity, Alyssa became defensive and agitated. She wanted to know why she was being interrogated by agent Santos. At this juncture, Nancy Garrido jumped into the conversation and stated, "Yes, agent Santos, why are you interrogating us? We have done nothing wrong."

He then explained that he was not interrogating them but was looking into an incident that occurred on the campus of University of California, Berkeley. Alyssa acknowledged that the two girls were with Garrido yesterday and he took them to University of California, Berkeley. She also acknowledged that he was a registered sex offender and on parole. He then asked Alyssa whether she knew what crime he had committed and she advised that he had kidnapped and rape a woman over thirty years ago and that he was a changed man. She immediately started saying that Garrido was a great person , good with her kids and he had a gift. The two younger girls also commented how good Garrido was to them.

He then tried to reassure her that her information and that of the two girls were going to stay in the file, but she became even more agitated and started to say that she did not do anything wrong. At this point, agent Santos asked Nancy, Alyssa and the two girls to wait downstairs so he could talk to Garrido.


Interview with Garrido
Officer Santos then contacted Garrido in the lobby and escorted him to his office. He asked Garrido to tell him the relationship of the three younger females, and he first asked "What do you mean?" Officer Santos then restated his question. After a brief moment, he stated that they were all sisters. Garrido identified the older girl as Allissa and thought she was twenty eight or twenty nine years old and the oldest of the three girls. Garrido was then asked about the father of the three girls and he briefly thought for a while before stating that the father was a relative of his. Agent Santos again asked who the father was and stated that the father was the son of his mother. For clarification, agent Santos stated, "So that makes him your brother?" Garrido looked at him in astonishment and stated, "Yes". Garrido then advised that the parents were divorced and the girls were divorced and living between them and other people. He advised that the father was Ronald Garrido and that he did not know his physical address or telephone number but that he lived in Oakley, California. When agent Santos asked about the mother, Garrido stated her name was Janice and she lived somewhere in Brentwood, California. Garrido also advised that he did not know her address or phone number. Agent Santos then ended the conversation and escorted Garrido to a different office where another agent stayed with him.


Inconsistencies in the Alibi
9:00 am: Due to the inconsistent statements between Garrido and Alyssa, agent Lovan and agent Santos isolated Garrido in an office with another parole agent and went outside of the office and contacted the females. Agent Santos separated Alyssa from the other females. He then asked Alyssa why she lied to him about who she was and she stated,"What do you mean?". Agent Santos explained that Garrido told him that she was the older sister and not the mother. Alyssa looked confused and advised that she had full custody of the girls, implying that she was not the mother but a guardian with full custody. Agent Santos informed Alyssa several times that if she refused to cooperate, he would contact Child Protective Services (CPS) and/or the local police department. Alyssa then changed story to being the biological mother. She continued to say she did not know what was going on. Agent Santos informed her that he did not believe her and she had to show some form of identification or give him a phone number of a relative or friend for verification. Alyssa advised that she learned long time ago not to carry or give personal information out to anyone. When challenged by agent Santos to explain herself, she kept on saying she did not know what was going on and that she needed a lawyer.

During this time, Nancy was advising her to get a lawyer. At this time, Alyssa's demeanor changed. She became more concerned about the children. Agent Santos asked why Garrido would say that they were all sisters and she said, "He was just trying to protect her." After numerous attempts to get further information, agent Santos called 911 from his cell phone at about 0917 hours. He was transferred to the Concord Police Department and he requested an officer to assist him at his location.

While waiting for an officer to arrive, Alyssa continued to say she did not know what was going on and she had done nothing wrong. During this time, Starlet stated that she needed to use the restroom immediately. Because of Starlet insistence and because agent Santos did not want the females to be separated, he escorted them all of them to the Concord library across the road but the library was closed. While walking to the library, Alyssa stated, "I am sorry that I lied to you." She then began to say that she was from Minnesota and that she was running and hiding from an abusive husband. She continued to say that she had been on the run for 5 years and was terrified of being found by her ex-husband. While patting agent Santos shoulder, she said, "You can see why I learned a long time ago never to give out personal information." Again Santos reassured her that her information would not become public. She stated that she could not take that chance and would not give me any information.

At this time, Officer Von Savoye arrived from CPD. Agent Santos briefed him on the situation and told him that he did not believe the story given by Alyssa. Officer Von Savoye attempted to get personal information and she gave the same name of "Allissa Franzen". She refused to give further information. At this time, Officer Kaiser from CPD also arrived.

Because Starlet kept insisting on using the restroom, they all relocated back to the parole office. Alyssa was separated from Nancy and the two girls and she kept stating that she was from Minnesota and running from her husband. At this juncture, Alyssa requested to speak to Phillip Garrido. He was brought into the room and Alyssa told him that she did not know what to do. Phillip Garrido immediately blurted out, "Get a lawyer". Agent Santos told him to stand up and escorted him back to his office. Agent Santos asked him why she was protecting him and he said, "What do you mean?" Agent Santos repeated that she was protecting him from something. Garrido replied that he felt that she needed a lawyer.

Sergeant Hoffman from CPD arrived at the office and entered the room and he asked Garrido for the names of the females. Agent Santos left the room to check whether the other police officers had managed to get information from Alyssa.

Shortly after, Sergeant Hoffman came out of the room and stated that Garrido had admitted that he was the father of the 2 girls. At that point, agent Santos reentered the room and asked Garrido why he had made them gone through all this? He stated to the effect of not knowing why. Agent Santos asked Garrido whether it was because Garrido did not want Nancy to know and he said, "On no! She knows and she forgave me a long time ago." Agent Santos commented that it did not make sense and there had to be another reason. Garrido continued to evade his questions and agent Santos persisted in the questioning. Finally, Garrido told agent Santos that if he brought "Allissa" into the room, he would tell him why. Agent Santos informed him that he would not do it but Garrido insisted that if he did, he would basically tell him but he wanted her to be in the room. Agent Santos informed Garrido that he would only do so if Garrido told him first, so that he would not drop a "bomb" on her. Garrido then made a spontaneous statement and said,"A long, long, long time ago, I kidnapped and raped her." Agent Santos then asked him whether Garrido knew where her parents were and he said, somewhere in Los Angeles.

Agent Santos then exited the room and relayed that information to Sergeant Hoffman.

During further questioning, Alyssa identified herself as Jaycee Dugard and confirmed that she had been kidnapped and raped by Garrido. Once faced with the reality that her captor had confessed, it took a short while for Alyssa to come to terms with herself that the man she feared had confessed to her kidnapping and rapes. The truth was staring at her. Alyssa could now be Jaycee Lee Dugard and for the first time in 18 years, she stuttered out her name.

Following the revelation, Phillip Garrido, Nancy, Jaycee and the two girls were transported to the CPD to continue the investigation. Agent Santos followed them to the Concord Police station where he met with El Dorado County investigators, the FBI and the CPD detective.

Police officers subsequently arrested Phillip and Nancy Garrido on numerous charges. In subsequent days both Phillip and Nancy Garrido were charged with suspicion of kidnapping, rape by force, lewd and lascivious acts with a minor, sexual penetration and conspiracy

Charges against Phillip and Nancy Garrido can be downloaded here and here


Mother and Child Reunion
That morning Alyssa had joined in the trip to the parole office with the intention to provide an alibi for Phillip Garrido. Their relationship was "almost like a marriage". She had existed in those years of captivity living as his 'wife'. Her intention was to accompany him home back to the backyard compound to continue that relationship.

Instead by about 10:00 am, the parole agents and Concord police officers had identified her true identity. By the afternoon, FBI had located her aunt Tina Dugard. From Tina Dugard, they located her mother Terry Probyn who worked at the Riverside School District. At about 4 pm, FBI placed a call to Terry Probyn and Jaycee spoke to her mum for the first time in 18 years.

When news broke about the recovery of Jaycee Dugard, a British photographer, Nick Stern was one of the very first at the house in Walnut Avenue. He jumped the fence and took photographs of the living conditions in those tents and sheds.

That night Jaycee was shown on abc7news getting into a car with FBI agents in front of the Concord Police Station at 1350 Galindo Street. At 2 am the next morning, FBI agents were in the backyard compound of the house in Walnut Avenue. The next morning, she was re-united with her mother Terry Probyn, half sister Shayna and aunt Tina Dugard.



Commentary
The previous evening on Tues, Aug 25 2009, Phillip Garrido was instructed to bring "all that was living with him to the parole office at 0800 hours" the following day. How did Phillip Garrido interpret that instruction? Nancy was certainly living with him and so was his mother, Pat Garrido/Franzen. He had already informed the parole agents that one of the parents had already taken the two younger girls back with him/her that Tuesday evening. So it is a mystery why he brought along Alyssa and the two younger girls with him to the parole office. After all, the two younger girls were not supposed to be in his house and certainly not living with him.


Sexual Rivalry between Nancy and Alyssa?
Perhaps he felt he had to bring the two younger girls since the parole agents were looking for them. Nancy was known to the parole agents as his wife and Pat Garrido/Franzen was his invalid mother living permanently in that house. Other than that anybody else would be just visiting.

Since he was bringing the two younger girls, perhaps Alyssa insisted that she had to be there? Up to Tuesday evening when he was dropped back home by the parole agents, they did not appear to know about the 'older sister' Alyssa. Perhaps Garrido assumed they knew since that information was divulged by Starlit (Scarlett?) to Officer Ally Jacobs and Lisa Brown at the University of California, Berkeley the previous day. Perhaps that was his rationale for bringing Alyssa along just in case it was brought up by the parole agents.

Also perhaps Philip Garrido might not have wanted to leave her behind in the backyard compound on her own although she could have kept Patricia Garrido company in the house. The sexual rivalry between Nancy and Alyssa may have played a part in bringing Alyssa to the parole office.

From Phillip Garrido's response, we know that he was following the 'Alyssa' identity of that of the older sister of Angel and Starlit (Scarlett?). He had used that line the previous day with the parole agents. That would meant that Alyssa had provided truthful information about herself without the knowledge of Phillip and Nancy Garrido. This begged the questions of why? What was her state of mind that morning?

Also we note that when agent Santos turned to Nancy Garrido for the parent information on the two younger girls, Alyssa immediately stated that she was their mother. What was happening here? Was she not supposed to play the part of the older sister? Was it sexual rivalry with Nancy Garrido to drive her to claim the children as her own in the parole office? Or was she trying to provide Phillip Garrido with an alibi?

From the 2 younger girls' perspectives, they would have identified Nancy as their mother and Alyssa as their sister. But being minors, they were not questioned.

Alyssa's claim of being the mother of Angel and Starlit (Scarlett?) had caught agent Santos by surprise. From Ally Jacobs, he had been provided with the information that Angel and Starlit (Scarlett?) were the daughters of Phillip Garrido. He had expected that Alyssa to be the older sister but now he was faced with Alyssa's claim that she was the mother of the 2 younger girls.

Was Alyssa there that morning to provide Phillip Garrido with an alibi? Her relationship with Phillip Garrido was that of his second wife and the mother of the girls Angel and Starlit (Scarlett?). By abandoning the Alyssa identity in that spontaneous moment when agent Santos requested parent information on the two younger girls, she had entrapped Phillip Garrido in his deception. Had she followed the line of Alyssa being the older sister of Angel and Starlit (Scarlett?), the outcome might well be different. By claiming to be the mother of the two younger girls, her intention might have been to deny Nancy that opportunity. But by doing so, she had entrapped Phillip Garrido and herself.

In that backyard compound, she had been denied the opportunity of claiming the children as her own. They had grown up calling Nancy 'mum'. In that parole office, Nancy could not possibly be claiming to be their mother as the parole agents had no record of them having children. What would Nancy Garrido have said if Alyssa had not interjected and claim the children as her own?


Identity
And when Alyssa was asked for verification of her identity, her response was instinctive and true. It was naïve under the circumstances but the truth nevertheless. It was what she had been told years earlier when she assumed the Alyssa identity and also when she acquiesced to be his 'wife'. Not that she had any choice. She was never to give her true identity to anyone. The retribution would be absolute terror. The rapes of earlier years were always in her subconsciousness. It had defined her existence in that backyard compound.

The introduction of the police officers into the parole office introduced new dynamics to the interrogation. Alyssa had no fear of the Concord police officers. She had no experience of dealing with them. The voice of authority in her life for the last 18 years had been Phillip Garrido. He had brutally raped her before. Over the years, he was the father figure, soul mate, sex partner, pimp, protector and her everyday terror and master. But now she felt his strength. The terror that brutalized her was now her protector. She drew strength from knowledge of his capacity for brutality.

She requested his presence when the police officers were interrogating her. She had tried to create an alibi for Phillip Garrido. Instead of cooperating with the police officers, she was instructed to get a lawyer which provided a hint of criminality into the room.

Phillip Garrido knew of a different world. He had been in prison for about 11 years. He respected and feared that authority. He had been in jail before and he knew what the authorities were capable of.

Also perhaps, there was a sense that he could pass one over the parole officer again as he had successfully done the last 18 years. He had brought the whole family with him and he had parked the car by the road expecting a quick session with agent Santos. This time it was to expose them to Alyssa and the 2 younger girls as part of his family once and for all, that they would be accepted like part of his furniture in his home. Officer Ally Jacobs had passed on some pertinent information to agent Santos and for that reason, he separated them from Phillip Garrido. Agent Santos interviewed Alyssa and Garrido and they had given differing stories and identities.

We believed that sexual rivalry for the affection of their man, Phillip Garrido was the dominant reason for Alyssa to claim the children as her own. His affection for the children was genuine and Alyssa knew it. It was through the children that she could be assured of his continuous affection for her.

On that Tuesday night (Aug 25), it had been a warm summer evening. We believe that she had spent a confusing evening alone in her own tent and she was menstruating. That night Phillip Garrido had slept in the house with Nancy. Perhaps, she woke up that morning troubled and roiled with jealousy. Photos taken inside the tent on the afternoon of Aug 26 show the book "Shadow Bridges" by Gregory Frost on the little cabinet. It was most likely the last book she read that night alone in her tent while listening to music (?) from the Walkman with the earplug buds. The clamp-on fan was used throughout that warm summer night.

Due to her captivitiy and isolation, Alyssa did not develop the social skills that would be expected of an adult woman. With her limited knowledge and interaction with the outside world, she was naieve to the point of being simple.

Also due to her captivity at age 11, her mental development could be skewed. Perhaps Alyssa's brain frontal cortex is under-developed due to the trauma of the earlier years and also due to the early childbirth of Angel and Starlit. The brain frontal cortex is where reasoning connects with emotions , enabling her to weigh consequences. Her responses and interaction with agent Santos and the police officers seemed to point towards that possibility. And subsequent to her recovery, her stepfather, Carl Probyn had commented that her emotional age remained at the age of her captivity which was eleven.

Since her recovery, we now understand that she had been conditioned to accept her relationship with Phillip Garrido as "almost like a marriage". That Wednesday could have been the final day of her menstruation and they would have been together that night most likely in the air-conditioned shed to continue that relationship.

Her identity of the abused wife from Minnesota that had been hiding for 5 years from an abusive husband is intriguing. Was that another identity that had been created by Phillip Garrido? Was that her identity as a prostitute that we believed that she had become by then? Since Feb 11, 2010, we learned that Ally Smith was the name of that identity.

Perhaps pain, the strongest of human emotions was a constant reminder in her years in captivity. The questioning was a threat to her identity and her relationship with Phillip Garrido. Phillip Garrido had brutalised her in the past and continued to exert that fear in her life.

In that backyard compound, she was surrounded by the sheds and tents. Those were the very places that was a constant reminder of what could happen to her if she ever crosses Phillip Garrido.

The fear of pain is the most powerful of human emotions. Perhaps it was those memories seared into her sub-consciousness that triggered those agitated responses. The constant fear of retaliation by Phillip Garrido.

What is common with victims of sexual abuse and trauma are they do develop sexual addictions with their abusers. They confused fear with love and sex with love.


Identity Concealment
Her attempts to hide her true identity came as no surprise, said Katherine van Wormer, a social work professor at the University of Northern Iowa who has written about Dugard and other kidnap victims.

"After so many years of psyching themselves up, it's sort of like a denial. It's a survival skill. It became second nature," she said. "She shuts off the part of her mind that would caused her to think in a disloyal way. And she just went along.


Note: The actual vehicle that they travelled to the parole office was not mentioned but was quite likely to be a reddish volkswagen sold to him by Jim Molino of J&M Enterprise. The photos showing the beat-up van was taken from Google Earth. The google vehicle mapping the Garrido neighbourhood in 2007 showed a van exiting the Garrido residence at 1554 Walnut Avenue and proceeded to follow the van all along Walnut Avenue.

Sources
Office of the Inspector General- Special Report on the Supervision of Phillip Garrido
MSNBC News- Jaycee Dugard diary: I want to be free (Feb 11 2010)

Update Feb 11 2010- The latest news (MSNBC) report, court document submitted by the prosecutor revealed that Phillip Garrido was instructed by his parole officer on Aug 25 2009, to bring everyone that lives with him to the parole office the following day.

Update-Feb 11 2010 In the latest news (MSNBC), court submission by the prosecutor revealed the further information about what transpired in the parole office.